Comments on: R. v. McNeil: Handing Over Records of Police Misconduct http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/ The Court is the online resource for data and debate about the Supreme Court of Canada. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:34:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mike http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-175662 mike Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:31:21 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-175662 This is absolutely ridiculous, as if there aren't enough flaws in the canadian system now we have to attack the people who are out there risking their lives. this country is simply catering to the crooks and thieves. Shame on the system This is absolutely ridiculous, as if there aren’t enough flaws in the canadian system now we have to attack the people who are out there risking their lives. this country is simply catering to the crooks and thieves.

Shame on the system

]]> By: jim http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-173762 jim Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:42:22 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-173762 update me.... does the mcneil decision refer to a police officer being investigated for a possible criminal offence and the police sends the officers file to the crown for an opinion only do they have to send the officers personal police file with the opinion only, i thought it only refered to charges before the courts ,and does the personal file of the investigator have to be sent .???????? update me…. does the mcneil decision refer to a police officer being investigated for a possible criminal offence and the police sends the officers file to the crown for an opinion only do they have to send the officers personal police file with the opinion only, i thought it only refered to charges before the courts ,and does the personal file of the investigator have to be sent .????????

]]> By: Larry http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-171460 Larry Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:27:47 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-171460 What about the positive documents that maybe in the Police Officers personal files? Why wouldn’t commendations or evaluations from the officer’s supervisor or the Chief of Police sighting excellent police work conducted by the office in question be part of the disclosure. Isn’t it important to provide the positives along with negatives in order to determine the true reliability or creditability of Police Officers? What about the positive documents that maybe in the Police Officers personal files? Why wouldn’t commendations or evaluations from the officer’s supervisor or the Chief of Police sighting excellent police work conducted by the office in question be part of the disclosure. Isn’t it important to provide the positives along with negatives in order to determine the true reliability or creditability of Police Officers?

]]> By: Brad http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-168911 Brad Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:27:40 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-168911 Does that mean that Officers who have had dealings with the PSA under the informal resolution OR disposition without a hearing will be put on a list somewhere ? What about records that have been expunged after the PSA has set out two year limit? Will these old records be dug up again? I agree with disclosure of records that are relevant to the case. I just don't agree with compiling a "list" with any Officers' brushes with the PSA. Does that mean that Officers who have had dealings with the PSA under the informal resolution OR disposition without a hearing will be put on a list somewhere ?

What about records that have been expunged after the PSA has set out two year limit? Will these old records be dug up again?

I agree with disclosure of records that are relevant to the case. I just don’t agree with compiling a “list” with any Officers’ brushes with the PSA.

]]> By: Brad http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-168560 Brad Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:04:55 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-168560 Even better Police Services are compiling LISTS that they put the officers on called the McNeill List, even trivial matters from PSA are enought to put the officers name on the "list". The officers name goes on the list even if the PSA charge/conviction is more than 3 yrs old and already removed from their file. Officers who have agreed to a "disposition w/out a hearing" in the past to "move on," are now finding themselves on the list years after their record has been cleared. INTERESTING........... Even better Police Services are compiling LISTS that they put the officers on called the McNeill List, even trivial matters from PSA are enought to put the officers name on the “list”. The officers name goes on the list even if the PSA charge/conviction is more than 3 yrs old and already removed from their file. Officers who have agreed to a “disposition w/out a hearing” in the past to “move on,” are now finding themselves on the list years after their record has been cleared. INTERESTING………..

]]> By: M,Taylor http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-152670 M,Taylor Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:28:28 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-152670 So the criminal system continues to be lead around by criminals with good lawyers and bleeding heart judges. If the courts are so worried about a Policeman's past why and more importantly are they not worried about the judges past! A judge who was charged in the past can also be bias when making a ruling. The criminal code should be renamed the Criminal's code. So the criminal system continues to be lead around by criminals with good lawyers and bleeding heart judges.
If the courts are so worried about a Policeman’s past why and more importantly are they not worried about the judges past!
A judge who was charged in the past can also be bias when making a ruling.
The criminal code should be renamed the Criminal’s code.

]]> By: Dale http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-145014 Dale Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:50:55 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-145014 "Instead, any records of the discipline or misconduct of the officers involved in the investigation will automatically be disclosed if they might be relevant to the case." Let the defence lawyers celebrate another victory in this continually liberal minded judicial system that should be getting tougher on criminals instead of softer. Of course its the ploice officers' fault that a defence lawyers' client was arrested!!! If the police were doing their job properly or now, if the officer had not made a mistake years before(and has already made been consequenced) my client would not have driven drunk and killed that family. What a croc or pile of you know what!!! Who will be the one that will decide if it "might be relevant " to the case? In this situation, I wouldn't be surprised if they ask the accused. Why not? At the same time why not ask the accused if he or she would like the entire chain of command up to the Chief of police as "expert witnesses" to the officer's wrong doing. As we all know that the police are evil and only exist to deprive the poor child rapists and murders that commit these horrendous crimes because of their upbringing. We are losing focus on the reason why an individual is arrested in the first place! Probable and reasonable grounds...or as a defence lawyer would say" the police were profiling"..or " my client had no intent to break into that home and steal..he was drunk... or high.... or whatever else that might get these charges withdrawn!". I pity the poor provincial court judge that is given the task to decide if it is relevant or not, as we all know as individuals what is relevant to one is not necessarily relevant to another. “Instead, any records of the discipline or misconduct of the officers involved in the investigation will automatically be disclosed if they might be relevant to the case.” Let the defence lawyers celebrate another victory in this continually liberal minded judicial system that should be getting tougher on criminals instead of softer. Of course its the ploice officers’ fault that a defence lawyers’ client was arrested!!! If the police were doing their job properly or now, if the officer had not made a mistake years before(and has already made been consequenced) my client would not have driven drunk and killed that family. What a croc or pile of you know what!!!
Who will be the one that will decide if it “might be relevant ” to the case? In this situation, I wouldn’t be surprised if they ask the accused. Why not? At the same time why not ask the accused if he or she would like the entire chain of command up to the Chief of police as “expert witnesses” to the officer’s wrong doing. As we all know that the police are evil and only exist to deprive the poor child rapists and murders that commit these horrendous crimes because of their upbringing. We are losing focus on the reason why an individual is arrested in the first place! Probable and reasonable grounds…or as a defence lawyer would say” the police were profiling”..or ” my client had no intent to break into that home and steal..he was drunk… or high…. or whatever else that might get these charges withdrawn!”. I pity the poor provincial court judge that is given the task to decide if it is relevant or not, as we all know as individuals what is relevant to one is not necessarily relevant to another.

]]> By: wayne http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/comment-page-1/#comment-131206 wayne Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:44:38 +0000 http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/01/19/r-v-mcneil-handing-over-records-of-police-misconduct/#comment-131206 What is happening to this world, I understand what will happen there will be more fishing trips by defense lawyers and the cases will all be about police disciplinary.If that is the case the crown should be allowed to bring up past charges and convicitions in a case against the accused. I believe are system is meant to give people a second chance but now the police will have their pass brought up everytime they arrest somebody.What do you think will happen the police will just start avoid making arrests that may bring up their pass. Wayne What is happening to this world, I understand what will happen there will be more fishing trips by defense lawyers and the cases will all be about police disciplinary.If that is the case the crown should be allowed to bring up past charges and convicitions in a case against the accused. I believe are system is meant to give people a second chance but now the police will have their pass brought up everytime they arrest somebody.What do you think will happen the police will just start avoid making arrests that may bring up their pass.
Wayne

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