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		<title>Comment on Does the Charter Apply to Landed Immigrants Detained at Guantanamo? by Antonin I. Pribetic</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/03/09/does-the-charter-apply-to-landed-immigrants-detained-at-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-190404</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonin I. Pribetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite="The plain language of section 7 extends its protection to “everyone”, not just citizens.  Such a broad classification would initially seem to include persons of the claimant’s status.  However, as Justice L’Heureux-Dubé rather sardonically observed in R. v. Cook, [1998] 2 S.C.R. 597, 'I am not convinced that passage of the Charter necessarily gave rights to everyone in the world, of every nationality, wherever they may be, even if certain rights contain the word ‘everyone’."&gt;

I wonder how the SCC's decision in Slahi---denying s.7 Charter protection to a landed immigrant---can be reconciled with the recent adoption of the "forum of necessity" doctrine by the Court of Appeal for Ontario in Van Breda v. Village Resorts Limited, 2010 ONCA 84 (Ont. C.A.)? 

There is a worrisome trend in the Supreme Court's textualist approach to statutory interpretation. The phrase "Everyone" which is used in sections 2, 7, 8, 9, 12, 17 of the Charter is juxtaposed with the phrase "Every citizen of Canada" in sections 3 and 6 dealing with democratic and mobility rights. If you're on Canadian soil, then you are subject to the laws of the Canadian state. If your rights are infringed by governmental actions, then you are entitled to the full protection under Canadian law and should be entitled to a remedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="The plain language of section 7 extends its protection to “everyone”, not just citizens.  Such a broad classification would initially seem to include persons of the claimant’s status.  However, as Justice L’Heureux-Dubé rather sardonically observed in R. v. Cook, [1998] 2 S.C.R. 597, 'I am not convinced that passage of the Charter necessarily gave rights to everyone in the world, of every nationality, wherever they may be, even if certain rights contain the word ‘everyone’.">
<p>I wonder how the SCC&#8217;s decision in Slahi&#8212;denying s.7 Charter protection to a landed immigrant&#8212;can be reconciled with the recent adoption of the &#8220;forum of necessity&#8221; doctrine by the Court of Appeal for Ontario in Van Breda v. Village Resorts Limited, 2010 ONCA 84 (Ont. C.A.)? </p>
<p>There is a worrisome trend in the Supreme Court&#8217;s textualist approach to statutory interpretation. The phrase &#8220;Everyone&#8221; which is used in sections 2, 7, 8, 9, 12, 17 of the Charter is juxtaposed with the phrase &#8220;Every citizen of Canada&#8221; in sections 3 and 6 dealing with democratic and mobility rights. If you&#8217;re on Canadian soil, then you are subject to the laws of the Canadian state. If your rights are infringed by governmental actions, then you are entitled to the full protection under Canadian law and should be entitled to a remedy.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Comment on R. v. Ramage: Unreasonable Seizure of Bodily Evidence in the Aftermath of Grant by Don Mathias</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/03/04/r-v-ramage-unreasonable-seizure-of-bodily-evidence-in-the-aftermath-of-grant/comment-page-1/#comment-188112</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit like the rubbish bag case, &lt;i&gt;R v Patrick&lt;/i&gt; [2009] SCC 17 (9 April 2009). Here he certainly intended to abandon his urine, but did he abandon his privacy interest in the information it contained? He had done all he needed to to commit his waste to the municipal collection system. The first &lt;i&gt;Grant&lt;/i&gt; factor is slight, the second arguably moderate, and the third (favouring admission) quite strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit like the rubbish bag case, <i>R v Patrick</i> [2009] SCC 17 (9 April 2009). Here he certainly intended to abandon his urine, but did he abandon his privacy interest in the information it contained? He had done all he needed to to commit his waste to the municipal collection system. The first <i>Grant</i> factor is slight, the second arguably moderate, and the third (favouring admission) quite strong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does the Charter Follow the Canadian Flag, or Canadian Passports? by Joshua Prowse</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/03/01/does-the-charter-follow-the-canadian-flag-or-canadian-passports/comment-page-1/#comment-187830</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Prowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zeppo: I believe that that phrase isn't meant to imply that either Khadr or Zeremi were tortured by Canadian officials, just that &lt;i&gt;had they been so tortured&lt;/i&gt; Blanchard J.'s jurisprudence doesn't make it clear that the Charter would apply. Such a question, by virtue of its absurdity, calls into question the criteria which the Federal Court has proferred for determining when the Charter applies to state practices outside of Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zeppo: I believe that that phrase isn&#8217;t meant to imply that either Khadr or Zeremi were tortured by Canadian officials, just that <i>had they been so tortured</i> Blanchard J.&#8217;s jurisprudence doesn&#8217;t make it clear that the Charter would apply. Such a question, by virtue of its absurdity, calls into question the criteria which the Federal Court has proferred for determining when the Charter applies to state practices outside of Canada.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does the Charter Follow the Canadian Flag, or Canadian Passports? by zeppo</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/03/01/does-the-charter-follow-the-canadian-flag-or-canadian-passports/comment-page-1/#comment-186946</link>
		<dc:creator>zeppo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article's author writes: &lt;i&gt;For example, how could torture at the hands of Canadian stage agents not fulfill the nexus requirement?&lt;/i&gt;

Where is the evidence that these two individuals were tortured at the hands of Canadian agents?

Omar Khadr was put on the 'frequent flier' regime prior to interrogation by Canadian agents who apparently shared the information gained with U.S. agents.  This was deemed a violation of Mr. Khadr's rights.  No evidence is presented in the article that Slahi and Zeremi were subjected to similar treatment with prior knowledge of Canadian agents.  A claim is not a fact.  If these two persons were mistreated by American agents then their remedy will come from U.S law, not Canadian law.

It is up to Mauritania and Algeria to speak for their respective citizens.  We must not allow the Charter to become a warm fuzzy blanket that tries to cover the whole earth and that tries to protect persons with increasingly tenuous connections to Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article&#8217;s author writes: <i>For example, how could torture at the hands of Canadian stage agents not fulfill the nexus requirement?</i></p>
<p>Where is the evidence that these two individuals were tortured at the hands of Canadian agents?</p>
<p>Omar Khadr was put on the &#8216;frequent flier&#8217; regime prior to interrogation by Canadian agents who apparently shared the information gained with U.S. agents.  This was deemed a violation of Mr. Khadr&#8217;s rights.  No evidence is presented in the article that Slahi and Zeremi were subjected to similar treatment with prior knowledge of Canadian agents.  A claim is not a fact.  If these two persons were mistreated by American agents then their remedy will come from U.S law, not Canadian law.</p>
<p>It is up to Mauritania and Algeria to speak for their respective citizens.  We must not allow the Charter to become a warm fuzzy blanket that tries to cover the whole earth and that tries to protect persons with increasingly tenuous connections to Canada.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does the Charter Follow the Canadian Flag, or Canadian Passports? by Diane1976</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/03/01/does-the-charter-follow-the-canadian-flag-or-canadian-passports/comment-page-1/#comment-186836</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane1976</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Supreme Court declared that Canada violated Khadr's rights, in 2008 and 2010, they made it clear that the main violator of his rights was the United States, and they referred to relevant US Supreme Court decisions on the overall process.  The Minister of Justice said he didn't expect any answer from Washington when he sent his note requesting that Canadian evidence not be used in Khadr's trial, the supposed remedy to the violation of his rights identified by the Court.  The Minister said the Americans could do what they liked with his note. 

The Canadian goverment obviously does not care if information obtained illegally either by themselves of by the Americans is used at Khadr's trial.  When the Canadians interviewed Khadr he was sixteen or seventeen years old and still had not had any access to a lawyer, or any aid from any adult and had been interrogated by Americans under much worse conditions.

If another submission is made to the Court on Khadr's behalf how could it possibly consider the government's action an adequate remedy to the violation of rights it identified?

When Harper was dealing with a case of another Canadian detained abroad he said he believed that the Canadian government should always speak out publically on behalf of Canadians mistreated in foreign countries.  I think most Canadians assumed the Canadian government would do that.  This case is a real eye opener on that score.  Canadians should remember this should they find themselves, or their family members or friends, in legal trouble in some country that doesn't follow normal legal procedures.  Don't count on help from the Canadian government unless they see the case is an attractive one from the political point of view.  And if they don't they just might work actively against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Supreme Court declared that Canada violated Khadr&#8217;s rights, in 2008 and 2010, they made it clear that the main violator of his rights was the United States, and they referred to relevant US Supreme Court decisions on the overall process.  The Minister of Justice said he didn&#8217;t expect any answer from Washington when he sent his note requesting that Canadian evidence not be used in Khadr&#8217;s trial, the supposed remedy to the violation of his rights identified by the Court.  The Minister said the Americans could do what they liked with his note. </p>
<p>The Canadian goverment obviously does not care if information obtained illegally either by themselves of by the Americans is used at Khadr&#8217;s trial.  When the Canadians interviewed Khadr he was sixteen or seventeen years old and still had not had any access to a lawyer, or any aid from any adult and had been interrogated by Americans under much worse conditions.</p>
<p>If another submission is made to the Court on Khadr&#8217;s behalf how could it possibly consider the government&#8217;s action an adequate remedy to the violation of rights it identified?</p>
<p>When Harper was dealing with a case of another Canadian detained abroad he said he believed that the Canadian government should always speak out publically on behalf of Canadians mistreated in foreign countries.  I think most Canadians assumed the Canadian government would do that.  This case is a real eye opener on that score.  Canadians should remember this should they find themselves, or their family members or friends, in legal trouble in some country that doesn&#8217;t follow normal legal procedures.  Don&#8217;t count on help from the Canadian government unless they see the case is an attractive one from the political point of view.  And if they don&#8217;t they just might work actively against you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;And the Winner is&#8230;&#8221;: the First Annual OZZY Awards by Julian Ho</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/02/24/introducing-the-first-annual-ozzy-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-185896</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece guys.  Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece guys.  Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;And the Winner is&#8230;&#8221;: the First Annual OZZY Awards by Ken Chasse</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/02/24/introducing-the-first-annual-ozzy-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-185214</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Chasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I particularly like your category, "Most disappointing Refusal of Leave." That tells us something of the "politics," biases, temperament of the Court. Also, it will be very useful for future comparisons and analysis as to the evolution of the Court.

2. However, I think the most important and disappointing refusal was this one:
Canadian Bar Association v. British Columbia (A.G.), [2008] B.C.J. No. 350, 290 D.L.R. (4th) 617 (B.C.C.A.), application for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada dismissed with costs and without reasons, July 31, 2008: [2008] S.C.C.A. No. 185, File No. 32600. 

**3. I realize that this was a refusal in 2008 (July 31/08), but I challenge anyone to find a more important refusal. It concerned "access to justice," and therefore the rule of law which is an essential part of the foundation of our democracy.

4. It is ironic and sad that prominent judges such as McLaughlin C.J.C. have made speeches (before the CBA) that people should not have to mortgage their homes or otherwise cripple themselves financially to have a lawyer to go to court--particularly when asserting or protecting their constitutional rights and freedoms. I believe that Brennan, C.J.B.C. (the judge of first instance) has made speeches of the same sympathy and purport. Yet both justices, have dismissed applications seeking to prevent legal costs (fees) from getting in the way of the rule of law, and therefore  democracy. Lawyers are thus the gatekeepers of access to the courts and the constitution. The rule of law should be more than only what you can pay for.
--- Ken Chasse, LSUC (1966); LSBC (1978); OHLS (1964); OPD-LL.M. (2009).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I particularly like your category, &#8220;Most disappointing Refusal of Leave.&#8221; That tells us something of the &#8220;politics,&#8221; biases, temperament of the Court. Also, it will be very useful for future comparisons and analysis as to the evolution of the Court.</p>
<p>2. However, I think the most important and disappointing refusal was this one:<br />
Canadian Bar Association v. British Columbia (A.G.), [2008] B.C.J. No. 350, 290 D.L.R. (4th) 617 (B.C.C.A.), application for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada dismissed with costs and without reasons, July 31, 2008: [2008] S.C.C.A. No. 185, File No. 32600. </p>
<p>**3. I realize that this was a refusal in 2008 (July 31/08), but I challenge anyone to find a more important refusal. It concerned &#8220;access to justice,&#8221; and therefore the rule of law which is an essential part of the foundation of our democracy.</p>
<p>4. It is ironic and sad that prominent judges such as McLaughlin C.J.C. have made speeches (before the CBA) that people should not have to mortgage their homes or otherwise cripple themselves financially to have a lawyer to go to court&#8211;particularly when asserting or protecting their constitutional rights and freedoms. I believe that Brennan, C.J.B.C. (the judge of first instance) has made speeches of the same sympathy and purport. Yet both justices, have dismissed applications seeking to prevent legal costs (fees) from getting in the way of the rule of law, and therefore  democracy. Lawyers are thus the gatekeepers of access to the courts and the constitution. The rule of law should be more than only what you can pay for.<br />
&#8212; Ken Chasse, LSUC (1966); LSBC (1978); OHLS (1964); OPD-LL.M. (2009).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Peters Out: How Parliament is Driving Judges Down by kilby</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/02/03/3959/comment-page-1/#comment-185036</link>
		<dc:creator>kilby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Clements, 

I am just beginning a paper on Bill C-9 an Act to amend the Criminal Code s.  742.1 on conditional sentences. I have read the Peters case and have read many more cases that fit under s. 742.1 as serious personal injuriy offences. However, what I have found is that Peters appears to be the odd one out. Many of the other cases have concluded with a sentence of incarceration of some time. So, what I am wondering is if you had considered any other cases when discussing this topic. Also, I may be confused as to what your position is. What I am getting from your article is that in situations where there is a serious personal injury offence, judges will chose probation instead of incarceration, but had they had the opportunity to order a conditional sentence, they would have. 
So, instead of being more strict and giving  harsher punishments, courts are being more lenient on crimes that were seen as requiring a harsher punishment than a conditional sentence would offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Clements, </p>
<p>I am just beginning a paper on Bill C-9 an Act to amend the Criminal Code s.  742.1 on conditional sentences. I have read the Peters case and have read many more cases that fit under s. 742.1 as serious personal injuriy offences. However, what I have found is that Peters appears to be the odd one out. Many of the other cases have concluded with a sentence of incarceration of some time. So, what I am wondering is if you had considered any other cases when discussing this topic. Also, I may be confused as to what your position is. What I am getting from your article is that in situations where there is a serious personal injury offence, judges will chose probation instead of incarceration, but had they had the opportunity to order a conditional sentence, they would have.<br />
So, instead of being more strict and giving  harsher punishments, courts are being more lenient on crimes that were seen as requiring a harsher punishment than a conditional sentence would offer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abortion Debate Revisted as Morgentaler receives Order of Canada by Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2008/10/20/abortion-debate-revisted-as-morgentaler-receives-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-183208</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One look at the Supreme Court Justice, Beverley Mclachlin.  She broke the rules to get Morgentaler into the order of canada.  Yes, our most of our court judges are left wing.  I'm happy that my government is fighting against their radical decisions.  I'm happy that my government does not defent mass murderers or terrorists who go into other countries and kill. I believe in personal responsibility, obviously this author does not.  To prop up illegal drug injection centres demonstrates a clear far-left political bias.  Yes, it is time to stop these radical judges from making such radical decisions.  We need to elect our judges as they get away with so much.  This is not democratic.  We need to restore our democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One look at the Supreme Court Justice, Beverley Mclachlin.  She broke the rules to get Morgentaler into the order of canada.  Yes, our most of our court judges are left wing.  I&#8217;m happy that my government is fighting against their radical decisions.  I&#8217;m happy that my government does not defent mass murderers or terrorists who go into other countries and kill. I believe in personal responsibility, obviously this author does not.  To prop up illegal drug injection centres demonstrates a clear far-left political bias.  Yes, it is time to stop these radical judges from making such radical decisions.  We need to elect our judges as they get away with so much.  This is not democratic.  We need to restore our democracy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Peters Out: How Parliament is Driving Judges Down by Gareth Morley</title>
		<link>http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/02/03/3959/comment-page-1/#comment-182038</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wonder about the "delicate art" stuff. What evidence is there that trial judges know any more about the effects of their sentences than anyone else? Ipse dixit by the Supreme Court doesn't count as evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wonder about the &#8220;delicate art&#8221; stuff. What evidence is there that trial judges know any more about the effects of their sentences than anyone else? Ipse dixit by the Supreme Court doesn&#8217;t count as evidence.</p>
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